tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post7194852188303630817..comments2023-12-13T03:14:36.848-08:00Comments on This Is CorpGoth: When Subcultures Are Co-Opted for FashionUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-9604470360590908982012-05-09T22:29:15.036-07:002012-05-09T22:29:15.036-07:00I am new to your blog and love it! This discussion...I am new to your blog and love it! This discussion got me thinking as I do not identify as goth but have been around "the scene" for many years. When I first started going to shows I got a lot of looks from the goth kids for not dressing the part. But I loved the music and the people. I went on to become very good friends with many people and ended up managing the band Bella Morte for alattestylenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-34121812933048871022012-04-14T16:39:34.752-07:002012-04-14T16:39:34.752-07:00Ask me 20+ some odd yrs ago about this subject and...Ask me 20+ some odd yrs ago about this subject and idda cringed and gone on some insane nihilistic tangent steeped in snotery (which I am sure you can second, since you knew me back then Trystan haha)… Fast forward to adulthood, humbility and reality and I am all over the co-opt Goth takeover. On numerous levels. I am a grown up with a pension for designer frocks with an edge-it never goes away Dolores Antolin-Muniznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-16742355216376048222012-04-10T10:24:57.410-07:002012-04-10T10:24:57.410-07:00I don't see what the big deal is with mainstre...I don't see what the big deal is with mainstream borrowing from goths. I've always borrowed trends from the mainstream, putting my own spin on them of course. <br />And it tends to make clothing and accessories cheaper when "dark & edgy" is in - a.k.a. almost every Fall. I've never had enough money to shop regularly at Hot Topic and my city's thrift stores lack in stylegeeknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-193891408557707482012-03-21T19:53:12.102-07:002012-03-21T19:53:12.102-07:00::clappyhands::
Thank you for posting about this....::clappyhands::<br /><br />Thank you for posting about this. I always love seeing other Goths talk about this stuff! (And the pink & black PerkyCorpGoth photo is darling.)Jillian Ventersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-63635803389643880222012-03-16T09:04:39.370-07:002012-03-16T09:04:39.370-07:00I consider myself to be more New Romantic which th...I consider myself to be more New Romantic which these days is more like saying "I'm goth-but-not-goth" but whatever the case, I shop at the same places, go to the same club nights, and have the same art up in my living room. <br />I'm a huuuge fashion nerd, follow many of the mainstream designers, subscribe to Vogue, etc. When goth is considered "in" (i.e. now a bit Andrea Milnesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-91254713991592625852012-03-13T08:00:04.302-07:002012-03-13T08:00:04.302-07:00I was all fired up to join in the fun, then realiz...I was all fired up to join in the fun, then realized this is exactly what I do when I dress like a hippie. So, maybe I'm not so great either.Catherine Merrbachnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-79691099508465303962012-03-12T12:31:13.527-07:002012-03-12T12:31:13.527-07:00p.s. the young "you" is every bit as fab...p.s. the young "you" is every bit as fabulous as the "current" you<br /><br />lynn brooksscorpianaxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-81092034473339920572012-03-12T12:29:40.907-07:002012-03-12T12:29:40.907-07:00This was an awesome topic. And surprisingly, the c...This was an awesome topic. And surprisingly, the comments not what I expected. I really thought I would see more folks complaining about wanting to pimp-slap anyone not goth wearing anything goth-like. I think sometimes I get so used to being judged, that I forget how many very cool, non-judgemental folks still exist. Style-wise, I'm a lot along the lines of an earlier commentor, Sheila, in scorpianaxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-20605390175492350262012-03-11T09:44:53.953-07:002012-03-11T09:44:53.953-07:00It does get frustrating, and I always hope the mai...It does get frustrating, and I always hope the mainstream gets bored and the fashion types move on (then I can raid the clearance racks!). I think the most fun I had hunting for clothes and music was when I was much younger and had no idea something called goth even existed. I find more inspiration from the blogs by individuals using more creative means to assemble their look, whether for the minakitty693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-73854738716096630822012-03-11T06:13:45.102-07:002012-03-11T06:13:45.102-07:00I was born in '82, so my Baby Bat days were in...I was born in '82, so my Baby Bat days were in the early 2000's, when Avril Lavigne was all the rage, and I cringed when people said I looked like her because of the heavy black eyeliner and spiked bracelets. I didn't like being compared to a pop singer. She was appropriating elements of the goth and punk cultures, but that didn't make her punk or goth. <br /><br />Now, for Sophiehttp://agrownupgoth.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-85427876225679444562012-03-10T11:42:15.389-08:002012-03-10T11:42:15.389-08:00Heads up: I just nominated you for a blogging awar...Heads up: I just nominated you for a blogging award! Go to my blog to check it out.Mary Zawadzkinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-34275582101209401072012-03-09T04:58:30.144-08:002012-03-09T04:58:30.144-08:00So well put! I was born in 1980 and was around the...So well put! I was born in 1980 and was around the "second movement" of goth (even though I remember the music at 4 that my brother listened too), but I consider it my lifestyle above anything else. I agree about being disheartened with the watered down versions of the fashion style/music/ etc that we see today. I'm not an elitist by any means, but I remember having to WORK to find Meagan Hendricksonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-84390343278753015112012-03-08T10:49:11.338-08:002012-03-08T10:49:11.338-08:00My comment became so long I had to draft my own po...My comment became so long I had to draft my own post. But I have to say that your photo from '88 and your black and pink outfit are both gorgeous.Candace McCartynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-48398502300501455722012-03-08T01:46:24.539-08:002012-03-08T01:46:24.539-08:00Hullo! I'm Juli, I stalk your blog and I wrote...Hullo! I'm Juli, I stalk your blog and I wrote the comment that started the t-shirt flame war on Sal's blog. <br /><br />Hot Topic is still very popular in the South, or at least in Texas, and, as much as I hate to shop there, I go because it's the only place to buy goth type clothes that aren't DIY or online. I'm an odd fit so I hate buying anything that I can't try on AnJuli Reidhttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1053051769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-77576904048086478122012-03-07T21:56:12.038-08:002012-03-07T21:56:12.038-08:00I agree some appropriation is natural, and therefo...I agree some appropriation is natural, and therefore can't (even shouldn't) be fixed, so it's not a topic that especially interests me for discussion. Sometimes it seems like splitting hairs because the topic, indeed, has so many gray areas. I can best relate to the Native American headdress example through my own lifelong issues with dialect. I, like most people, love the dialectsTraciehttp://twitter.com/traicetraknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-45266222700606389762012-03-07T21:02:32.582-08:002012-03-07T21:02:32.582-08:00Haha! No, you didn't offend me at all! Appro...Haha! No, you didn't offend me at all! Appropriation is one of those really hard to grasp gray areas that I happen to really enjoy studying from a historiographical standpoint. I went from "NO, ALL APPROPRIATION IS BAD" to a much more nuanced stance on the issue, because like I said, I think humans are hardwired for it to a degree. Basically, there are various forms of Sarahhttp://www.modehistorique.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-13571538762120223102012-03-07T20:56:36.858-08:002012-03-07T20:56:36.858-08:00Oh my goodness, the old pic of you is delightful!!...Oh my goodness, the old pic of you is delightful!!! Glad to see a "wordy" post come from you every so often. I don't have anything to say on the offensiveness of culture appropriation. I just hate that the culture has lost a lot of it's unique flavor through the accessibility of ready-made gothic clothing. I think that must be one reason for my fascination with Death Rock Traciehttp://twitter.com/traicetraknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-52394048604088118382012-03-07T20:41:17.815-08:002012-03-07T20:41:17.815-08:00I would love to see an actress perform this piece ...I would love to see an actress perform this piece as a monologue, just for the payoff of the suddenly cheerful, switched gears at the end. LOL Though, I suppose I approach the idea as being appreciative of your passion and vigor; might you regard it as an appropriation of your thoughts? =) Seems it may be a fine line.<br /><br />Hope I don't offend. I tease in that last part as an Traciehttp://twitter.com/traicetraknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-46517227601646279822012-03-07T18:53:24.444-08:002012-03-07T18:53:24.444-08:00I always hesitated to call myself goth because whe...I always hesitated to call myself goth because when I was figuring out my identity was right when goth was going mainstream and I did not identify with the Hot Topic crowd. But the "goth" aesthetic is probably the closest thing that comes to hitting all the right notes for me. Thing is, I'm too lazy to make a serious effort to dress like it, so I dunno... Maybe I'm a poseur. Or Sarahhttp://www.modehistorique.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-70689504832101365662012-03-07T17:32:16.262-08:002012-03-07T17:32:16.262-08:00When I felt like I could.not.stop.commenting, whoa...When I felt like I could.not.stop.commenting, whoa, I knew it was time for my own blog post! I don't have time write many think-y posts, but you set off a great topic.Trystan L. Basshttp://corpgoth.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-65494332179504698762012-03-07T17:30:10.896-08:002012-03-07T17:30:10.896-08:00Yep, wanting clothes in my own style was a HUGE in...Yep, wanting clothes in my own style was a HUGE inspiration to sew & gave me lots of practice :)Trystan L. Basshttp://corpgoth.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-80761123267690249752012-03-07T17:28:59.483-08:002012-03-07T17:28:59.483-08:00Mainstream fashion goes thru cycles influenced by ...Mainstream fashion goes thru cycles influenced by military clothing or different time periods, that's common.<br /><br />But there are specific reasons for the military & Victorian influences in the subcultures. Early punks often got clothes from military surplus stores because it was cheap & durable, then they'd modify it. Victorian fashion is a direct link to the aesthetics of Trystan L. Basshttp://corpgoth.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-85946567060032902122012-03-07T17:21:24.886-08:002012-03-07T17:21:24.886-08:00Sheila, you're probably the most original fash...Sheila, you're probably the most original fashionista I've seen yet online! You look so wholly & completely like *you* that it'd be impossible to label you as anything else ;-)<br /><br />I've known plenty of people who are, say, a little bit goth & a little bit rave & a little bit preppy (insert dated "little bit country / little bit rock 'n roll" Trystan L. Basshttp://corpgoth.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-7889198928213846392012-03-07T17:00:43.479-08:002012-03-07T17:00:43.479-08:00I'm so glad you expanded on your ideas here, T...I'm so glad you expanded on your ideas here, Trystan. The topic got many people fired up, and I'm grateful for your contributions to that conversation. And thanks, of course, for the shout-out!Sally McGrawhttp://www.alreadypretty.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6319752528366979140.post-84943917281066175592012-03-07T16:54:41.101-08:002012-03-07T16:54:41.101-08:00(This comment is meant not as an opinion one way o...(This comment is meant not as an opinion one way or another, just a point that I find interesting to consider.) It's not just the mainstream that co-opts fashion. A military influence can be seen in some elements of punk style. Goth and steampunk fashion borrow heavily from Victorian style.The Banenoreply@blogger.com